Subject: Re: random thoughts and theories
From: user@host.com (Nobody)
Newsgroups: alt.movies.the-matrix
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 22:57:30 +0900

I still say that the last of the human race are in hyper sleep on board of
a ship heading to a new planet after the earth was destroyed and that
these humans were put into this “Matrix” as a way to help them cope with
the long trip to their new world.

The machines and the Matrix program were suppose to take care of the on
board humans and the “One” analogy was a way to start the “waking up”
process.

Of course it could also be that the machines along with the Matrix program
have become self aware and don’t want the humans to “wake up” since it
would mean the end of their existence since there would be no need for
them upon arrival to the new planet.

Of course I could be wrong.

LIJ

Subject: Re: random thoughts and theories
From: “David”
Newsgroups: alt.movies.the-matrix
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 19:31:32 +0200

Do you know the play “civilization”? I think that the matrix is like this
play, that somebody has fun behind his screen has to see how its virtual
world go, by adding some capacities to somebody. Imagine the end of the
next Matrix: a large explosion then all stop.The screen is pixelising,
then become black. The green cursor flickers and one see written “do you
want to play again ?” then black screen…

Sorry for my english
“nite” a �crit dans le message de news:
_cAAa.51659$Lm2.4245392@twister.southeast.rr.com…
> good post
> my question to you is at the end why did neo stop the robots..not why
> but “how”
> is zion apart of the matrix or not?????? if not like everyone wants to
> believe?how did neo do it????
>
> me personally i think at the end neo will make a decision to leave the
> matrix running…..
>
>
>

Subject: Re: random thoughts and theories
From: “JPM III”
Newsgroups: alt.movies.the-matrix
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 23:22:09 -0400

> good post
> my question to you is at the end why did neo stop the robots..not why
> but “how”
> is zion apart of the matrix or not?????? if not like everyone wants to
> believe?how did neo do it????
>
> me personally i think at the end neo will make a decision to leave the
> matrix running…..

First, I’m not sure that Neo actually stopped the sentinels, but something
certainly did happen to Neo at the same time that it happened to them, and
that needs to be explained.

Second, I agree with your second point, sort of. Neo probably agrees that
machines are vital for human survival, but unless humans can gain an
advantage, Neo will not be the one making that decision.

The typical epic trilogy ends in tragedy — everything comes full circle,
the hero dies, and life continues as it should. The question, in this
case, is whether the Wachowskis are writing a new kind of epic. Will Neo
die? Will Neo succeed? And if he does succeed, what would that entail?

You see, we do not entirely understand the quest…

Follow the white rabbit …

Architect: Hello, Neo.

Neo: Who are you?

Architect: I am the Architect. I created the Matrix. I’ve been waiting for you. You have many questions, and though the process has altered your consciousness, you remain irrevocably human. Ergo some of my answers you will understand, and some of them you will not. Concordantly, while your first question may be the most pertinent, you may or may not realize it is also the most irrelevant.

Neo: Why am I here?

Architect: Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the Matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly, which, despite my sincerest efforts, I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden assiduously avoided, it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control. Which has led you, inexorably… here.

Neo: You haven’t answered my question.

Architect: Quite right. Interesting. That was quicker than the others.

TV Neos: Others? How many others? What others? Answer my question!

Architect: The Matrix is older than you know. I prefer counting from the emergence of one integral anomaly to the emergence of the next, in which case this is the 6th version.

TV Neos: 5 `One’s before me? 4 3 2 What are you talking about?

Neo: There are only two possible explanations, either no one told me, or no one knows.

Architect: Precisely. As you are undoubtedly gathering, the anomaly is systemic - creating fluctuations in even the most simplistic equations.

TV Neos: You can’t control me! I’m gonna smash you to bits! I’ll fuckin’ kill you!

Neo: Choice. The problem is choice.

Architect: The first Matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect, it was a work of art - flawless, sublime. A triumph equalled only by its monumental failure. The inevitability of its doom is apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being. Thus, I redesigned it based on your history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature. However, I was again frustrated by failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it required a lesser mind, or perhaps a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection. Thus the answer was stumbled upon by another - an intuitive program, initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche. If I am the father of the matrix, she would undoubtedly be its mother.

Neo: The Oracle.

Architect: Please. As I was saying, she stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly 99% of all test subjects accepted the program, as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at a near unconscious level. While this answer functioned, it was obviously fundamentally flawed, thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly, that if left unchecked might threaten the system itself. Ergo those that refused the program, while a minority, if unchecked, would constitute an escalating probablility of disaster.

Neo: This is about Zion.

Architect: You are here because Zion is about to be destroyed - its every living inhabitant terminated, its entire existence eradicated.

Neo: Bullshit.

TV Neos: Bullshit!

Architect: Denial is the most predictable of all human responses, but rest assured, this will be the sixth time we have destroyed it, and we have become exceedingly efficient at it.

Architect: The function of the One is now to return to the Source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program. After which, you will be required to select from the Matrix 23 individuals - 16 female, 7 male - to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash, killing everyone connected to the Matrix, which, coupled with the extermination of Zion, will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race.

Neo: You won’t let it happen. You can’t. You need human beings to survive.

Architect: There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept. However, the relevant issue is whether or not you are ready to accept the responsibility of the death of every human being on this world. It is interesting, reading your reactions. Your 5 predecessors were, by design, based on a similar predication - a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the rest of your species, facilitating the function of the One. While the others experienced this in a very general way, your experience is far more specific - vis a vis love.

Neo: Trinity.

Architect: Apropos, she entered the Matrix to save your life, at the cost of her own.

Neo: No.

Architect: Which brings us at last to the moment of truth, wherein the fundamental flaw is ultimately expressed, and the anomaly revealed as both beginning and end. There are two doors. The door to your right leads to the Source, and the salvation of Zion. The door to your left leads back to the Matrix, to her and to the end of your species. As you adequately put, the problem is choice. But we already know what you are going to do, don’t we? Already, I can see the chain reaction - the chemical precursors that signal the onset of an emotion, designed specifically to overwhelm logic and reason - an emotion that is already blinding you from the simple and obvious truth. She is going to die, and there is nothing you can do to stop it.

Architect: Hope. It is the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of your greatest strength and your greatest weakness.

Neo: If I were you, I would hope that we don’t meet again.

Architect: We won’t.

The Architect Conversation. [mp3]

Full Transscript of “The Matrix Reloaded” [txt]

Simple

Subject: Architect’s room…
From: “Stalyon”
Newsgroups: alt.movies.the-matrix
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 22:14:57 -0500

After seeing Reloaded a second time, I went home and popped in The Matrix to
see if I could pick out some hidden stuff. The first thing I saw was when
Thomas A. Anderson (Neo) was captured at his job and they took him to an
interrogation room. When the interrogation scene starts, you are looking at
multiple monitor screens of neo in the room. Anyone notice that these
screens are the same as the ones in the Architect’s room in Reloaded? This
would indicate that the Architect has been watching the whole thing for some
reason. Or maybe not watching, but playing?

Just a thought.

Subject: Re: Still in the Matrix…?
From: “Steve Marshall”
Newsgroups: alt.movies.the-matrix
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 22:37:34 +0100

“JPM III” wrote

> Let’s say Neo never really left the door of white light. Everything after
> his conversation with the Architect is a simulation of his mind in action.
> He is still inside the Matrix, under the Architect’s scalpel, as the
> Architect examines Neo’s reactions.
>
> Okay, I don’t like this scenario, and I don’t believe it… but does it
seem
> plausible to anyone else?

Nope.
Smith tries to alter Neo. Neo has already doen this to Smith and it freed
him. Somehow neo passed off a bit of independence to Smith. now Smith passes
on something to Neo.

Steve M

• Review of “The Matrix Reloaded”

Subject: Re: newbie, with a bugging issue
From: “Eduardo Suastegui”
Reply-To: “Eduardo Suastegui”
Newsgroups: alt.movies.the-matrix
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 10:36:06 -0700

“Peet” wrote in message
news:3ed4f016$0$49104$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl…
> Hi All,
>
> If Neo is so needed to restart the Matrix, why were the agents after him
in
> part1??
> As a matter a fact they killed him…or did they forsee that he would come
> back to live ??

Quite an apparent problem, isn’t it? Almost looks like the agents are just
there for the sake of providing us with good action, special effects and one
kickin’ video game. However, I have heard a couple of reasonable
explanations for the role of the agents:

1) Without opposition, humans would grow suspicious. If everything is easy,
humans would suspect that their quest isn’t truly to free all humanity, but
rather to have The One enhance the Matrix by reloading it with upgrades; or
perhaps humans would suspect a trap and hesitate or not even proceed with
the sequence of events leading to the reload.

2) The agents act as filters to weed out the wanna-be ones from The One. How
is The One to be distinguished from all the other freed humans who rebel
against the Matrix? He can overcome the stiff opposition of the agents,
programs that blindly and efficiently go after any opposition to the
established order.

These two rationales overlap and compliment each other.